snow performance methanol injection

[vegastang]

for the record the snow performance methanol injection kit is the same as the DIY turbobuick methanol kit.  I'm referring to his $300 kit.  
Here is the link to one of the DIY kits.  Except don't use a nitrous nozzle, use a M10 or M15 for $3 each from http://www.mcmastercarr.com.  These are the same nozzles used in both the snow kit and the SMC kit.

http://home.att.net/~stevemon/AlcoholInjMod.html

If you are further interested there is an alcohol forum at http://www.turbobuick.com.

[Barry D.]

maybe some folks are too busy or too lazy to build their own and just want to buy one from a company all pre-packaged and ready to go. it's obviously cheaper to do pretty much anything diy but some folks may have reasons for not...who knows...

[inertia]

Originally posted by HotWheels
have to give the guy credit though, jumping in there like that. Bet he is makin a bunch of money.... :mrt:

:bling: I bet ...

[msnow]

Barry D., Thank you for stating the main reason for an application specific water/methanol kit. I was browsing and came across this thread and want to set the record straight. It has always been my philosophy that if you offer a good product at a good price, you will be successfull no mater what propaganda the competition trys to put out there.  This has proven out over the past two years. I have not responded to the misinformation preferring to take the high road and simply not having the time to get embroiled in the various forums. I've got some time so here goes:

1. It is true that parts can be purchased and a kit cobbled together for $150. The main value added with the Boost Cooler® is you get an application specific kit that has all the right parts for your application so no R&D has to be done. R&D can get expensive - blown head gaskets, parts that are't compatible or robust etc. We have done all that. Water/methanol injection is like NOS was in the 50's and 60's. A few engineering minded/ hot rodders made-up their NOS systems but the general population was afraid of this perceived voodoo science and didn't have the skill or knowlege to get involved. We are providing kits and knowlege so that everyone can get involved. It simply isn't rocket science like some of the initial water/methanol players would like you to think. The DYO kits scare many away as they did with NOS in the 50's. Many blew up their cars through lack of information/ bad  parts.

2. Our 200psi pump is not a refurbed 60 psi pump with a new regulator. It is an entirely different part # from the man., it's physically larger, has higher capacity and can't be purchased for $60. The trick with water/methanol is atomization - 200psi with our nozzles are unsurpassed - if you line up an aquamist, SMC, etc., the difference is huge in atomization.

3. An on-off switch is ok for low boost applications  but our variable controller  provides for greatly improved drivability in over 10psig applications. Our new MAF controller  is designed for fast spooling turbo applications and is showing better cooling with no quenching/misfiring issues at all RPMs.

4. We provide a knowlege base so anyone can get involved. Some questions we answer: Do I need a check valve? How do I tune for different mixtures? What qty should I be injecting when?  How much timing should I add safely? What type of blower do you never want to put water or methanol through? What injection site has demonstrated consistently more power? etc.etc.

5. All parts are warranteed. If ever within a year a part fails - it is replaced at no charge - value added.

The bottom line as opposed to most DYO kits is the Boost Cooler® works - it works right now with no R&D - it will work for a long time. These are just some of the major ways value is added.  I hope I didn't run on too long - I can really get wrapped up this. My objective is to get it so that all boosted car owners can get involved with water/methanol injection and not be afraid of it.
Thanks,
 Matt

[MORA]

R&D??? LOL, you didnt develop the system or anything on it, you just copied the DIY system and gave it a brand name.

Im not against you guys making a quick buck, but dont try to tell people you developed a car specific system, when we all know there is no such thing. Now, if you do something like ZEX did with their nitrous system, then it would be different.

BTW- if you did so much research and development, why dont you post all your findings and pro's & con's about the system in a thread, so we can all learn from your experience, because after all, if you dont teach or infrom people about some product you cannot expect to sell anything just on your claims... we need some info ..

[stevemon]

Please see This Site for the best off-the-shelf alky system available. No BS at all from this buddy of mine. He's very knowledgeable and did his own R&D for the progressive controller. I have no connection to him or anyone selling alky components and never intend to. Just trying to give back for the help I have received.

Thanks,
Steve Monroe

(BTW, I've moved my Original DIY Alky Page to http://members.cox.net/stevemonroe/AlcoholInjMod.html )

[FreakFiveOh]

Barry d is right.  Even though snow copied a DIY kit, by buying his already put together kit the end user is saving time and a headache trying to put it together hisself.  

Tomatoes are free.  You can grow them in your back yard (DIY).  So does that mean that the supermarket is ripping people off because they sell tomatoes?  Does that mean they should give them away for free?

No. Its just more convenient for most people to go to the supermarket and buy a tomato than to grow one themselves.

 Hey guys Food Lion is marketing tomatoes that you can grow your self in the back yard.

"Artist's create; smart people copy"
Quote from unknown millionaire

 Snow is a smart person and because of it he is going to make money.  He isn't doing anything wrong just as long as he is giving people what they pay for,  a good product, tech/company support and good customer service


Freak

[vegastang]

application specific and value added my ass.

the bottom line is, it's very easy to obtain the few parts needed for the alcohol system.  if you lack the knowledge or time to do so, you really have no business with alcohol injection.  i have a hard time taking the concept of over-the-phone tuning seriously.

research it yourself guys and draw your own conclusions.

[Redsnk95]

did u build/piece together your turbo kit? or did you buy it as a kit?...just curious

[vegastang]

Cartech does fabrication

[Redsnk95]

I know that was my point.

Troy

[SoL_93GT]

You gotta be crazy to think Snow Performance is doing something wrong, mabey I missed something but is a diy kit trademarked?  It would be a different story if they copied a trademarked manufactured kit that some other company already sells. Would you be happier if he sold the kit for $150 (price of parts) and got nothing for his time, advertising, and what he spends running his buisness? Sounds like you haters are jealous because you didn't think of it, he's probably making alot of money selling a good product.  And you know why?  Because despite what you haters think there are people out there that want to order a complete kit that has support to back the product up.  Mabey thats not your thing but you can't speak for everybody.  Just like people build their own turbo kits, its not for everyone.


Briane

[vegastang]

hey smartass, all i've done is point out that his $300 kit is a direct copy of the turbobuick DIY kit, that way fellow TM'S know there is a cheaper route.  i could give a shit if someone wants to send money to this guy.

[SoL_93GT]

Originally posted by vegastang
hey smartass, all i've done is point out that his $300 kit is a direct copy of the turbobuick DIY kit, that way fellow TM'S know there is a cheaper route.  i could give a shit if someone wants to send money to this guy.

You weren't the only person I was talking to.  Theres a difference between pointing out that it is a copy of the turbobuick DIY kit and bashing someones product and company and saying things that are factual wrong as pointed out by the owner of this company.  Don't talk bad about something then not expect people to call you on it.

All you needed to say was it is a copy of the diy kit and here is the link if you want to save some money and do it yourself.  Thats what I would expect from an upstanding fellow turbomustanger.

[vegastang]

[Carson]

I installed several of these kits on supercharged mustangs they worked very well.

You are definately buying a packaged product with support.

I wish we could have done ITS turbo kits this good.

There is definately value in a package supported warranteed product.

I don't think it is a rippoff to put package together and market it.

The majority of people doing this need that kind of deal because of laziness or free time.

eitherway the kit worked excellent instructions were good and all have worked flawlessly without problems.

[vegastang]

OK, I have no problems with snow performance or what he's doing.  I realize alot of people don't want to deal with the DIY stuff.  I just wanted to point out that its the same as the DIY kit.  

[Carson]

Thats fine and I agree with the DIY stuff maybe this should go to the JY DIY section rather than feedback
It just really doesn't seem like feed back at all
I do think is shoul be in a tech section or something though

[stevemon]

Having made up the original DIY alky kit in 1996 which, it appears, Snow copied his kit from, I'll advise based on my experience, that Julio Dion at Alky Control Com makes a far better complete alky system with progressive control for about $500. If I were going to do alky at the DIY level, I wouldn't pay $150 extra to get it all in one box.
Just go to my page at
http://members.cox.net/stevemonroe/AlcoholInjMod.html and print it out. You can build your own kit for about $160.
Thanks.
Steve Monroe
Ok Buick Performance Club, Vice Dir.

[SoL_93GT]

Originally posted by stevemon
Having made up the original DIY alky kit in 1996 which, it appears, Snow copied his kit from, I'll advise based on my experience, that Julio Dion at Alky Control Com makes a far better complete alky system with progressive control for about $500. If I were going to do alky at the DIY level, I wouldn't pay $150 extra to get it all in one box.
Just go to my page at
http://members.cox.net/stevemonroe/AlcoholInjMod.html and print it out. You can build your own kit for about $160.
Thanks.
Steve Monroe
Ok Buick Performance Club, Vice Dir.

I met him at Desoto Speedway and he showed me the kit on his car and how everything worked, looks like a great product and he's a really nice guy.  If I go with a progressive kit I'll most likely go with his kit. But the fact remains that even though you wouldn't pay $150 extra to get it "all in one box" there are alot of people out there that are looking for a complete packaged product with a warrenty and support, I'd even venture to say there are more people out there that would rather go that route, but thats just my opinion.  Thank you for the link on the diy kit, if I don't go with the progressive kit, I'll probably build the diy kit myself.  And this isn't directed to you, I just really didn't appreciate the people on here bashing a company selling a good product, that has done nothing wrong.  I think now they see how they were wrong, it just wasn't necessary in the first place.  And I will also edit the part in my posts that weren't necessary, I apologize if I offended anybody.

Thanks again for the info.
Briane

[Razor]

Hey Brian and Steve..thanks for the kudos.

As far as the 150 vs 300.. its all subjective.  

If you have any questions.. post em.. a little different way to do things.

Peace.

Julio  :tu:

[SoL_93GT]

Originally posted by Razor
Hey Brian and Steve..thanks for the kudos.

As far as the 150 vs 300.. its all subjective.  

If you have any questions.. post em.. a little different way to do things.

Peace.

Julio  :tu:

Juilo I'd like to see how far I can push my stock engine but I don't want to run race fuel in it all the time so thats why I might buy an alky kit.  How much boost do you think I could run on pump gas with your progressive kit?  I really like your setup and I'll drop you an email if I go that route, I still have a couple other things I have to buy for my car first like a clutch, and ignition, I just got done putting my turbo in and fixing a couple problems but hopefully it will be ready soon for the dyno.

Briane

[CopMagnet]

Did Julio Mention his bad ass TTA? lol!

[Razor]

Boost..thats a loaded question.. I will say if you can run 15 lbs on race gas, you can run 15 lbs on alcohol. It may be a slightly lower timing, but the heat on the charge air will come down big time. On my car I run an additional 11 PSI over stock. Thats 27 vs 16 stock.

And will say this..the reason for the progressive is to improve drivability, help maintain stable air fuel ratios, and provide heavy detonation protection..so you dont "push the gasket out".

The neat thing is how it automatically adjusts pressure based on boost..so you up the boost on your boost controller..you dont touch the controller.. it automatically ups the pressure..you get some cold air, boost spike, waste gate fails..you have something there to help prevent the you know what meltdown..

Your local, when you get ready, get the car here and let me do the kit..that way I can take measurements and such and make a Mustang kit. Just like the GN, TTA, Sy/Ty, and WRX kits i'm working on.

I've actually thinking of jumping the fence and getting a notch with a 63/66/70 turbo..nice street car Just to think..I've owned a total of 12 Mustangs..but since 1992..been on the GM side.

11.6 no longer is fast enough, and dont want to cut up the Bird for a cage..let alone mod a perfect stock motor.. thats another story

See ya next thursday nite at BMP(desoto), last track night..

[Razor]

Originally posted by CopMagnet
Did Julio Mention his bad ass TTA? lol!

LOL.. you have the bug big time.. glad I found this place..

BTW..Dr. Dirt is probably gonna hook up with me early next month.. lets say he's back in town..on another project..

back under my rock..